An Interview with a War Reporter

Glimpses of Current Situation in Post War Iraq

Christopher Deliso interviewed Scott Taylor, a Canadian war reporter who had just returned from Iraq. Scott Taylor is a publisher of Esprit de Corps, a monthly magazine on Canadian military. Taylor had reported militiary conflicts in Balkans and Iraq and had provided viewpoints that go against the grain of conventional wisdom and biases of mass media reports.

In this interview with Deliso, Taylor offers a glimpse into realities seldom reported on Iraq that is under US military command.

Excerpts of the interview by Christopher Deliso with Scott Taylor

And how is the situation (in Iraq) now?

Taylor: I visited Kirkuk, Erbil, Tikrit and Baghdad. I can tell you that Iraq, though calm on the surface, is like a boiling kettle. The Yanks won't be able to keep the lid on it much longer. Look, Chalabi had 80 bodyguards, and 12 of them were killed on his second day in the country. Now he is under Marine protection.

No doubt about it, the Yanks have really screwed up in Iraq. There is a lot of chaos and looting, and the only concern their soldiers have is for their own self-defense. They don't generally try to intervene against looters, etc., but when they do it is in a very clumsy and culturally insensitive way. They usually only make the situation worse.

Right now in Baghdad there are armed looters trying to steal from homeowners. The latter have guns to try and protect themselves and their property. When the Americans hear of such a gun battle, they send in tanks. When the looters see the Americans coming, they just melt away into the surrounding area. But since the Americans have a mandate to collect weapons, they end up taking the weapons they can see – those belonging to the homeowners standing out in front of their houses. And so these people are then left unprotected. When the Americans leave – guess what – the looters take over.

I mean, it's really the Wild West out there. You had the Turkish ambassador, Osman Paksut, coming out with a pistol on his hip and six Palestinians with guns manning the roof. One told me that he had killed a lot of would-be looters. This was one of the only such places that wasn't looted.

In January, you reported from Taszar Air Force Base in Kaposvar, Hungary. At the time, the US was opening a training camp for Iraqi opposition guys – who were allegedly learning to be "civil administrators." However, it came out that the Turkmen, Kurds and Iraqis at the camp were receiving military training. Tell us, had any of the Turkoman fighters you met in Iraq been trained at Taszar?

Taylor: The Iraqi Turkoman Front sent 54 guys to Hungary, of which only 12 "graduated." They lost interest when it became obvious that the US was favoring the Kurds and empowering them above the other groups.

In all, the program was meant to process 3,000 men; 1,500 US Special Forces were on hand to train them. Of the much fewer guys who actually went, most were too out of shape or for all practical purposes, useless. In the end, only 80 graduated.

You can understand, actually, with some US sergeant major blustering in their face why an Iraqi guy would say, "screw this, I'm going home." Anyway, they got to keep the $3,000 in cash that the Americans gave them.

So the program actually was a failure. And the Hungarians were worried that its presence might inspire retribution from Saddam loyalists. No one was too upset when it closed down early.

Are remnants of Saddam's military or intelligence regime still operating?

Taylor: The Iraqi intelligence agency – known as the Mukhabarat – just melted away when the bombs started falling. They are still there – just not showing themselves openly. According to my sources inside, the American bombings only killed about 3 percent of these Iraqi agents.

I spoke with one agent who recounted the story of two female Mukhabarat who executed suicide bombings, during the battle for the airport that left several dead. "She did her job," he said. "We haven't done ours – yet."

Are the Mukhabarat still loyal to Saddam? Do they have any kind of strategy?

Taylor: They are disappointed, because they have lost contact with Saddam. And without his central leadership, they are disoriented. They often don't know each other's real names. They are a loose-knit group.

Now they are sitting in cafés; the only thing they have left to plot is how to kill more Americans.

As for their strategy, they are planning for two civil wars. The first would be between Shiite fundamentalists and non-fundamentalists in the south; the second could conceivably turn into a nasty three-way fight in the north, between Kurds, Turkmen and Arabs.

The worst thing is that the Bosnia scenario could be repeated. The major Kurdish groups have a history of infighting, the two Christian groups (Assyrians and Chaldeans) don't get along, and the Arabs are not even united. Right now there are 80 registered political parties in northern Iraq. There is a high likelihood that things could get very mixed up in terms of military alliances.

The Iraqi situation does resemble Bosnia in 1991. Everyone is preparing for civil war and mistrusting the other groups.

The Turkmen groups have their guys in uniform in front of headquarters, which doesn't make the (Kurdish) peshmergas happy – but then again, they were supposed to have been disarmed too. There's a lot of tension in the air.

The Iraqi Turkoman Front is, as can be expected, closely aligned with the Turkish General Staff. Right now, they perceive Bush as being very pro-Kurdish. They don't understand why they are not being consulted; if the US really is intent on keeping the integrity of Iraq's borders as they are now, the Turkmen need to play a role – after all, they comprise up to two million people there.

Northern Iraq is the "American sector." Are they up to the challenge?

Taylor: The fact that the colonial administration has been changed – and so fast – is not a good sign. The best spin Washington has been able to put on it is that Bremer's administration is more of a civilian government than Jay Garner's would have been. But nobody's buying that shit.

Look, you don't start a game with your second string. Changing administrations now is like changing quarterbacks when you're down 21-7 in the third.

How is the situation on the ground for the American troops? We've stopped hearing very much news about skirmishing or Iraqi attacks.

Taylor: There are still plenty of attacks. In fact, the US has officially stopped reporting casualties, according to a sergeant I talked to at one checkpoint. The truth is, they're losing at least one man a day to hostile fire in Baghdad. They don't want to report this because they fear it might encourage more attacks.

One week ago, seven Americans were killed by Iraqis. The graffiti on the wall behind them read, "beware monkeys, I'll be back – Saddam." In this symbolic statement, the word "monkeys" is a derogatory reference to the Iraqis themselves.

Does the US have any intelligence on the ground, or any idea where Saddam may be lurking?

Taylor: On April 7, the US tried to attack Saddam by bombing a restaurant in an upscale neighborhood of Baghdad. According to them, the missile attack had "narrowly missed" hitting Hussein's party – they had been there something like 15 minutes earlier, it was alleged. And this was supposed to be a sign that American intelligence, thought to be lacking, was getting closer to their man. Remember, getting Saddam was still politically important then to sustaining support for the war.

After I heard this, I thought, "well, maybe it's possible." So I had my taxi driver take me there. And you know what?

The possibility of Saddam ever having been there is absolutely zero. This place was the only American style restaurant in Baghdad. It served burgers, fries, and "Kentucky" fried chicken. They had the whole works – paper hats, deep-fat fryers, plastic trays. The only people who went there were American journalists.

The whole idea was absurd. I mean, can you imagine Saddam carrying a plastic tray?

So how do you think they came with the idea to bomb this place?

Taylor: My opinion is that the military was looking to make a show, and so they asked the journalists, "do you know any restaurants around?" And this was the only place they knew, except for the Al Rasheed. They just wanted to bomb something to make it seem like they were on the ball. Actually they were just clueless.

President Bush has pledged to bring American-style democracy to the Iraqi people. What're the chances of this happening?

Taylor: Iraq is a country that has never really experienced elections before, yet the US is forcing them on the people. At the same time, the only Iraqis who can afford to form political parties now are the gangsters. So who's going to run the country? It will be just like "liberated" Kosovo, only probably worse.

Finally, give me some predictions. How are the US soldiers holding up, and what can we expect in the future?

Taylor: As an ex-soldier, I can say that their lack of knowledge of the local culture was shocking. These guys are young, scared, frustrated, and clearly weren't briefed to cope with the "post-war" challenges of dealing with the locals. The heat is getting to them, they don't go out, and there are anti-American slogans on all the walls. The Iraqis are proving to be a tough crowd.

Unless Bush works a miracle, there will be civil war. I put the odds right now at about 60 percent. There's a lot of mutual mistrust and all of these groups are eyeing one another – and the US – with suspicion. The Iraq mission is clearly turning out to be something much different than the Americans had anticipated.

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